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Afghanistan 22, Iraq 12, David Petraeus 8, U.s. 5, Paula Broadwell 4, Vernon Loeb 4, Washington 4, Jack Galvin 4, Hamid Karzai 4, Crocker 3, Petraeus 3, America 3, United States 3, Strom Thurmond 2, Soviet Union 2, Pentagon 2, Mcchrystal 2, Holly 2, Holbrook 2, Jack Keane 2,
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  CSPAN    Book TV    Henry Wiencek  Education.  (2012) 'Master of  
   the Mountain Thomas Jefferson and His Slaves.'  

    November 10, 2012
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goldwater in the late 1950s. he was a staunch advocate of unions in south carolina back in the '30s and 40s. he becomes this diehard supporter in this business and then he also has an important role in conservative evangelical policies. he joins the board of bob jones university in 1950. he does it to win votes. he lost the 1950 raised in the senate. that began a long process. a long relationship with conservative fundamentalist and evangelical folks who are looking to understand.
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we need to understand strom thurmond's racial politics. see how they intersect with one another. i think that doing so gives us a history of what strom thurmond's america looks like. it helps us to see what was going on in the south and what was going on in the national, conservative political realm as well. he helped us rethink the history of modern conservative. a history, a history that thurmond is often left out. >> you can watch this and other programs online by booktv.org. >> david cherry has resigned on friday after an fbi investigation into e-mail security that has uncovered evidence of an extramarital affair between here and his biographer, paula
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broadwell. next, we air a book edited by paula broadwell. it reflects his military career and the wars in iraq and afghanistan. for about an hour at politics & prose in washington dc. >> evening, i am bradley graham, co-owner of politics & prose with my wife melissa. on behalf of the entire staff, i would like to welcome me you here. before turning to our guest author, i would just like to say a word about an important event coming up this april. it is being called world book night and it is an ambitious attempt to hand out 1 million free books around the united states.
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you can read about how this amazing effort is being organized, and sign up to get involved yourself at us.worldbooknight.org. the deadline is tonight, but there is still time after this event. now, a word about our guest this evening, paula broadwell. also, vernon loeb. and the new book, "all in: the education of david petraeus." paula was given unusual access to him and brought his story up today. as she writes early in the book, one of his most important mentors, general jack galvin, talk to him about the concept of
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the big "m", which stood for individual mystique or mythology. the troops need to be able to make their command bigger than they are. petraeus has sold -- stood out as a leader. on the battlefield, he is tried credited with turning things around in iraq following president bush's decision at the end of 2006 deserted u.s. forces there. he faced a similar challenge in afghanistan between the middle of 2010 in the middle of 2011. his time in afghanistan is the
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focus of policy book. although the book has a broader week. she incorporates lots of biographical information about him in an effort to examine what has made him so effective and influential as a leader. she has a phd in public policy, which involves a public study of petraeus regarding transformational leadership and organizational information. as a graduate of west point, paula knows the army army from the inside. in her book, she takes readers into command posts and training sites and battlefields. and she was granted a number of opportunities to travel with petraeus and even to jog with him, which as anyone who has tried that knows that they
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probably deserve a medal in and of itself. petraeus is the notorious for the intensity in which he works out. and it is the same intensity that he applies to just about everything he does. i might add that paula herself is no athletic slacker. she was number one in her class at west point and overall fitness. i would like to also note that paula is donating 20% of the book to team red white and blue, an organization that works with wounded veterans using physical fitness to help them find their new normal. powell was helped in the writing of her book by a very talented former colleague of mine at the "washington post." vernon loeb. he has lots of experience himself and is now the post- metropolitan editor.
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paula plans to speak for about 20 or 30 minutes and then she will take questions. if you have a question, please remember to step up and use the microphone right here in the center of the room. afterwards, she will be happy to stay and sign books. please silence your cell phone. please join me in welcoming paula broadwell. >> before we get started, i would like to see how many veterans we have in the room. okay. first of all, thank you for all of your service. i know we might have a few folks who belong to red white and blue as well? okay, great. thank you for coming. it is very important to me to take advantage of the national media platform that i have right now the book. it just became a bestseller this week, which is very exciting. "the new york times", number 13
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overall. for someone who doesn't like to write that much, it is very humbling. but i have to give credit to my writing partner, vernon loeb. i wanted to call americans to go all in it as well. we owed to them and i think it's our turn. i would like to tell you a little bit about how i came to write the book and we will bring out some characters that are actually in the book that are in the room. can everybody hear okay in the back? >> okay, all right. in 2006, david petraeus with helping to write a command field manual. in fact, he edited 30 times the first chapter. he likes to pay attention to
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detail. but he came to harvard university where i was a graduate student and wanted to speak to students about the merits of counterinsurgency approach to fighting the iraq war, which we were losing at the time. and he invited a group of veterans of young students to meet with him after his presentation. i went up to him and said i think it i am writing a paper that will help you, and he was kind enough to indulge me take the paper and give me his business card. as he does with a lot of young soldier scholars. he is very open-minded about taking ideas from anyone and everyone. it is known as directed telescoping, reaching out to those in different sectors and failed. so we kept in touch via e-mail for a couple of years. and i was still graduate student. two years later, i reached out to him and asked if he would speak to a group of students at harvard who were trying to find ways to galvanize greater
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cooperation amongst the intelligence community, the military community and other national security organizations. but we, as midgrade field officers were frustrated seeing a lack of cooperation. he agreed to do a video teleconference from baghdad. this is just after they started to achieve some success and interact. he opened his presentation with a quote from a robe roman philosopher, luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. i feel like that has been exemplary of his life and in my own instance of this book, it captures the feeling of how i was able to write the book. i will go into that in a little bit. fast forwarding again, the surge was, as we all know, instrumental. it complemented the iraqi's frustration with the insurgency in iraq. basically, the tide turned and we were able to set to draw
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horses down. general patrice came back then in 2008, and i was intrigued by how this individual, the organized transformation in the army had shaped this new doctrine, which is a new doctrine repackage. shape the organization and the training and equipping of those forces and so forth. i was looking at this from a management perspective. how does an insider effect organizational transformation? and i asked him if i could use him as a case study. in my doctoral dissertation and he agreed. so i began to interview him via e-mail for approximately a year and a half. and we had a chance to go for a run. and i asked if i could interview him on the run. i brought a tape recorder, and this was a test. it basically shows why i think i gained rapport with him. i can keep could keep up with
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him on the run and we got to a six minute mile pace. needless to say, i did not transcribed the interview. it was a bunch of heavy breathing. as we continued that e-mail correspondence and i was writing and incorporating hit spots, and i was able to take advantage of my classmates at west point. and several other aides had been in my company. they were great informants. they trusted me, so i was able to get a lot of great excess. and i got to know his family and his mentors. and they share correspondence that he had exchanged with them over three or four decades. so i could see captain david petraeus writing to general jack galvin and talking about in 1978 or 79 how this is how the military needs to balance
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forces, for example. he writes that the only way to change an army is to change the doctrine, and i will do that someday. and they had a small competition going between the two. as was alluded, john galvin was vague "m" and david petraeus was little "m." i could sort of trace the development of his thinking about the organization, about grand strategy in u.s. foreign policy. not all of that made it into the book. some of it ended up on the cutting room floor, but that could be in my dissertation and perhaps i will finish it. we could see at various points what he was thinking at a certain point and then see how that's playing out.
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in the summer of june 2000 and 1 general mcchrystal said i remember sitting on the couch watching television and watching the faces flashed across the flu could possibly face him. and they said oh, no they will never sent him. but as we could train chapter one of the book, the army knew that his name is probably in the hat even though the media was not speculating about it at the time. yet received a call from mcchrystal when the rolling storm stone article broke. he was pretty sure that he had received some article that were causing the lose his job. and he was told that he was
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pretty likely to be selected for afghanistan. he was at the white house for a regularly scheduled meeting, but someone from the oval office came down and says the president wants to see you upstairs. and as he's walking into the oval office, secretary gates and others do not give by compaq. he is excited to serve. when it was announced in the rose garden, that is when i thought i had a neat opportunity of the larger framework. so i wanted to find a writing partner and i found a truly extraordinary writing partner and friend. one thing i didn't mention is he has run 55 marathons. and if you think petraeus is good, check out my partner here.
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i hadn't written anything like this. i have attention deficit disorder, so it's hard for me to sit and write something like this. so that's how i tried to find a way to fit in these biographical depressions and relate them to the story. i'm sure you are all familiar with david petraeus singh, even though this is developed, we didn't know how it would turn out. so there was a pretty high need for us to keep up. so i showed up in afghanistan. and general petraeus had been helping me. here's this benign doctoral
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student, no one will be her dissertation and it's not a big deal. i didn't realize they were turning it into a book until about my work book. i was showing my odd sense of adventure. she wrote back and said -- he realized then that my point was i was excepting risk to get the story and askew. so he then said, let's try to accommodate her a little bit more. so i spent about almost four months on the ground but in three weaknesses at a time. to sort of get out of the environment, what was being reported in the united states and go back in and get the story. as that alluded, i was introduced to troops on the
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ground and traveling around was different, most of my time is spent traveling around with general petraeus. sitting in meetings with him and to the extent that i could. so that is the story we reported over the year. we then had these biographical sections of every chapter. what i really tried to show where the variables that were influencing petraeus' thinking. the first is general melton, who is one of the four key mentors.
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holly has been a wonderful source of information. the second is a gentleman who was a member of the ranger regiment. and he's helped to start joint special operations community project. before that he had been wrong in turn involved in -- not a lot of people know he has that background or interest. the third key mentor is general jack galvin. he was assigned with jack galvin several times. he not only learn military history and leadership, but they both have a passion for
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conflict. so in the book, you will see how his influences are impacted, there are six insurgencies going on and betray petraeus, for young david petraeus , it was quite an eye-opening experience to be handed a machine gun as he walked to his room. so we writes holly a letter and he is really blown away by it. he really realizes that this type of warfare is important to pay attention to. the fourth mentor we all know is general jack keane.
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and he first met jackie and when he was working for the chief of staff of the army at the time. and he had been commissioned to stand up at the training center. the training center that focuses on insurgency warfare. it was unconventional at the time because we were really, you know, looking at large-scale -- the gulf war had just ended. so that worker was not welcome. and they needed someone with a huge personality like jack keane to use this personality to stay in the center. so he took petraeus age to check on how things had been going. he was either too gather some insight. and he had this this real
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report. everyone knows the story of david petraeus getting shot. but really, that is what solidified the relationship and then they were together for several years after that. so it was a big variable. the second thing was his education. obviously, i could sort of relate the west point experience myself. they had a different curriculum back then that i was able to get access to the records and look at what was going on. there is an elective, but he never took it. that was interesting. i also traced his military education and his experience at princeton. which was one of his most formative experiences. one reason he really tries to
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influence individuals. so that their family looked at was his experiences. not only the typical military experiences, but his experience in haiti, which was a nationbuilding exercise, which is where he had his first rule of law development. we look at his experience in bosnia where he was greatly exposed to the intelligence community and special operations command after the mission switched from hunting were chairs to hunting terrorists. he helped to spearhead this.
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he was with the green berets and the special ops community. the rangers and delta force, the first time those two communities have the same mission. this is important as his future commander in iraq. but he was out there in a baseball cap and after the guys who go in and knock on the doors, he went and delivered letters and in his oral history interview, which i conducted with michael hammond from the brookings institute, this is a transformational. not for him. working on a comprehensive plan
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with inter agency, joint command, everything. all of these players in his first time to really run in this kind of operational command. so we look at all of these experiences. we try to show how some of it plays out in iraq. i felt that those experiences were pretty well covered for him. a great book. but the real story is how all this education has played out in afghanistan. the war in afghanistan. i don't think it paints a rosy picture for how the war is going. one thing he said is that he
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regretted having to leave, he wanted to stay for another fighting season. yet, he recognized a great opportunity he had gone to the agency and they needed to get somebody at the agency because -- i don't know if you remember the threats looming around 9/11, the president wanted him to be in place. but he was back and when he talks about he started talking about night raid. frankly speaking, that was the only one showing progress when he first got there. so that wasn't quite the momentum in the operations in the south south of how blessed we can see now. in some areas committee attacks are down by 30%. in helmand, for example. in others, they are up by 19%. he regrets having claimed that counterterrorism in the night raids and so forth were where the war was heading.
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the discussion of where we're we are at today has been the extension of that. he also wishes he could've focused on preventing civilian casualties. a u.n. report talked about this is the fifth year in a row where civilian casualties have risen. while some are decreasing, insurgency caused them on the rise. so how does that translate into how the campaign is working? would you like to make any remarks at all? i like to open it up. and see if vernon loeb has approximate for questions. >> do we have any questions? >> i guess we should use the microphone.
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please, go ahead. >> in your book, it was mentioned that betray petraeus wanted to become joint chairmen. is there a reason why he couldn't be joint chiefs of staff chairman? >> that is a great question. part of it has that washington is only big enough for one star, and david petraeus is not it. the thought is that he would not be malleable as a chairman and was a tough budget cut,
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equipping and thinking about how we are going to fight the next war, on the horizon, i think the thought was having that position would -- he would serve as sort of a white house objective there. on the other hand, as you know, he was interested in the cia position. and it is seen as the best possible position for him. he really shows how he has been a voracious consumer. he has worked with 16 different agencies in the intelligence community for quite a while. and he's he is very interested in what he can provide and understands. you know, maybe it is a blessing in disguise. i think the bottom line is that he is almost good for them to handle -- too good for them to handle.
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>> michael hastings actually torpedoed and the pentagon makes the parents of old america look like the french village of bohemians. it was indiscretion and fraternization somebody is not supposed to be buddy buddy with an inferior, and he was. but you have not touched upon us it is the problem of corruption and governance of all levels of the middle east. that involves the killers, the fanatic killers, the religious killers, the revenge killers. and how you deal with that.
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all it takes is one jerk to create havoc and community, and then the third thing in the middle east, at least in afghanistan and how you deal effectively with that. all of those things play a role. the fitness report determines who gets promoted. and that has sometimes less to do with ability and who likes you. >> is that one questionnaire? >> putting substance the makings of david petraeus. >> those are all very good questions and thoughts to pontificate. i will talk a little bit about the rule of law. helping to galvanize in afghanistan and if you read the book, we kind of traced him of his efforts to show how very difficult it is. frankly, everyone says it will
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take a generation to change the culture there and teach them our ways. the question is is a right to teach them always? when we look at the competition that is in sharia law and they are settling disputes whether from doing something and justice is served, we had to start somewhere. so they went out to each -- basically down to the district level to set up these training teams that would teach the district levels and teach them how to use justice. their system is totally archaic. they took pen and paper. they don't have the ability to share files at a on the local level. it is getting better am a that there is a long way to go. one positive step is the biometric system. two years ago we started
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scanning in the afghan employees and insurgents or any for that matter so they could track them into the system again. the rule of law is one of the most complex challenges we will face anywhere we try to do nationbuilding. the map the rule of their law there is not habeas corpus but habeas corpus. unfortunately, all it takes is one jerk or a few jerks to create havoc in any community. >> you for your question. >> congratulations on the book. i can't wait to read it. it's exciting. at one time, they were innovative ways in building the country and building it up, three cups of tea offer. i heard he was widely read over there by the officers.
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then he has kind of come under a cloud of fundraising and stuff. but nevertheless, a huge upsurge in education. elementary schools and all of that in afghanistan. the get a lot of credit for that? does he have a role in inspiring that? >> well, sure, it's important for young officers to have role models to see what kind of difference this counterinsurgency can have. and i think it was required at some level. but i don't know that he is galvanizing a change. when we look at what we have learned from iraq in earlier years in afghanistan, the engagements with civil society can help. but the question is how much does it help. it doesn't matter for national security. if these kids can go to school
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work women have greater rights, that's wonderful. i am a rights activist. but does that matter for u.s. national security? that subject after the nba. >> okay. >> i'm interested in the art form of collaborative authorship. i wonder if you and your coauthor could say a little bit about how together you have planned and executed this book? >> that is an art form. you know, we were reporting about a month behind real time. and paula would release this firehose of information on me. and i was basically -- it turned out to be his year in command. it also turned out to be his last man. so we had the blessing of a
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natural tory, which we did rest of and so following that, you know, i would basically brought out the chapters and then it became sort of a matter of passing things back and forth, where i would produce a rough draft and she would refine it and add information that i didn't have or have not seen. in the process would go back and forth until the final draft emerge. and then it became a more collaborative when the editors at penguin got involved. the whole book was produced quite fast. it was published on january 24. the last event in the book is when he was sworn in by joe biden. september 6. so that is about six months. that is about as fast as you can produce a book. it was fun. you know? you have to have a good
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relationship and good partner and trust between the partners and i'm an editor now and i used to be a reporter for a long time, and it's a combination of writing and editing from my vantage point. >> website. >> yes. >> thank you. that is very interesting. >> one of my favorite parts of your book is -- petraeus -- we have a lot of great access of him. we established a group of secondary characters, three of them were lieutenant commanders who were committing combat battalions. we tell the story of their work. one was around kandahar, one was in eastern afghanistan and one was in the rolling hills of a province. the secondary character is sitting here --
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>> [inaudible] >> we have one of the lieutenant colonel cyr was the generals aid first in bosnia? >> yes. >> then he was in eight during the invasion of iraq in 2003. here he was in afghanistan to man a battalion command. it was the first one part of the book. petraeus, it was his first combat command. it just happened that the entire 101st was in afghanistan deployed together for the first time since 2003. and again, he was one of the three combat leaders that we write about. does the doug lafond was the senior civilian advisor to the
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commander of the 101st in eastern afghanistan. and that was also -- he has a kind of special relationship. he was the splinter of the surge in iraq in 2007 when he was with the first calvary division. so i think if you read the book, i think you will enjoy that between the secondary characters who are, you know, they are very different and very interesting and very tough for battles and it's really a brutal war. you know, writing from my vantage point was very interesting and inspiring. they seem to kind of had have dedication and devotion. in a way that they carried
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things to this day from the people they lost there -- it's very interesting. >> two questions, if i could. not having read the book yet, i am wondering whether you cover the political attack as exemplified by the general petraeus comment, and could you speak about your experience at west point? >> we do touch on the ad. for those who haven't read the book or learn the history, we took out an ad in 2007 and there were questions about the specifics he was using to report progress in the war. this ad was meant to question if it was petraeus or betray us.
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one of the most hurtful things he experienced was that. that is another thing we try to show. the human side of him. the burden of command and how important it is for someone at that level to always keep that mask on and at the end of the day, it is really tough to lose troops and to be questioned at that point in time. in hindsight, i kept a journal. and i had a chance about three months ago, and i really didn't have that great of an experience. it was just pretty much no fun. and i would add, especially as a woman, it is hard for everyone. now, i remember that i am so proud be part of his long gray
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line. and it was the most formative thing that ever happened to me in the most important thing was to embrace the country and we can show how this new generation of young leaders is doing this as well. i can tell you. >> thank you for taking time today. i actually have a two-part question, but i will be quick. the first is regarding the other force of nature. ambassador richard holbrook, who we lost between general petraeus in him. i tend to favor general petraeus. how did the afghans find general petraeus? and among his money great strengths, one weakness of his would be what? >> one of his afghan reviews was
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looked at. to answer your question, he would say that everyone knew he was the de facto leader of the team. but it was important to have holbrook as part of this. think of the knowledge he had in the network he had. even holbrook acknowledged that. the second question was the interesting thing was to juxtapose this, he was very well-respected and they named a street after him. iraqis would give up their children, their riches, anything
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to thank them for what they did for the country. but afghans, not so much. it was a much more complex terrain in a complex area he had visited. he didn't have the depth of knowledge or the networks, but the enemies of the architecture there that he would have to work with. i think that he found a way to prove himself. a lot of people felt like he talked about iraq all the time. and they are thinking this is not a rat. but in his mind, there were still many principles. he really never gain the
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reporter with karzai. the afghan ministers respected him, but it was not the same level of respect they had with the iraqi government. the third thing is that he is such a driven individual. that can be strength, too. obviously he channels that drive and ambition to serve the country. i think his ego is in line with that. but it is not egotistical. it is egocentric. ..
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i'll read. he read the book a week and he is in spy novels, kind of funny. he doesn't like to do anything besides run and read and work and i don't know if that is a weakness but he could have more balance and be willing to relax but it will comes to results, his dad, his father was very tough on him. we don't get into that much in the book but his father had really high standards, he was just driven to do better, to deliver results, wet through was winning a newspaper delivery contest in school or playing on
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a soccer team and the ski team, he was always driven to please his father and probably all of us can relate to that in some sense. >> i interest in your donating a portion of your proceeds to organization that supports lawyers. something you could tell us about that organization and how you chose to support them. >> would love to, it is called team red, white and blue and was founded by a west pointing, a major new teachers in the leadership department at west point. mike was an intelligence officer but started in the special operations community with several tours in afghanistan and mike started this group to help wounded warriors find their new normal through physical fitness. in number of studies show doing fitness helps to lay depression and suicidal tendencies, but the other idea was to give wounded warriors something to belong to
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that they lost when they left the esprit they corps of the military. you know what a family the military becomes but even more so when you have fought together and i or lost limbs or lost friends jointly and to lose that and come back to the u.s. and not be able to discuss it with your family because they can't relate to or you feel shameful, wounded warriors with invisible ones like post-traumatic stress disorder don't get a purple heart and we are not recognizing that we have an epidemic right now in our veteran community. 172,000 veterans in iraq and afghanistan have debilitating levels of posttraumatic stress this order and this is the number that has come forward to the va. there are tens of thousands more that are afraid to admit it because you get a stigma, difficult to get hired and job with these issues, traumatic brain injury is another invisible wound so i'm working with the uso, making a video
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tomorrow to call americans to go in for our troops. doesn't just mean donating money. what this group embraces is you will find ways to get active too and mentor these wounded warriors and if you can't run a race with and maybe you can help online in raising awareness, posting on facebook or whatever but whatever way you can at least welcome our wounded warriors back and try to reach out to them and give them thanks for what they have sacrificed for us. >> i would like to go back to the afghanistan -- having served there in the embassy, but for the surge, i wonder about the complication about the surge to afghanistan, a major part of the iraq idea was buying off local leaders. we have been buying off warlords in afghanistan forever and the taliban have access to unlimited
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resources from the drug trade. does petraeus the surge idea could be plucked up from iraq and pluck down afghanistan and be successful. >> note, what the surge is meant to do in both countries is to create the time and space so that the local host nation national security forces and stand up and defend themselves. has to deal with the anaconda flight. and won't get a power point here. it is not just a security solution. there is obviously international relations. you have to get a lot of partners to agree, the stated objective and withdrawal plans, you have to find out who has the capability to deal with drug operations, should we handle
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that or britain? you can imagine the complex discussions that go on trying to decide who will do what. i don't think he thinks there is any easy solution in any country especially if we have a precipitous withdrawal in afghanistan. we have given the iraqis a chance, he had a picture of george washington, he was in iraq visiting is, this is your chance, we created a time and space, your chance to start a new beginning. nobody knows how these wars will end, and he does not think the surge will be enough. >> you can hop in. >> how many questions do we have? >> we have five more minutes. >> bobblehead 5460. >> i will limit it to the cia
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situation. how much of president obama's interest in having him go somewhere was political to get him out of the way, and the other part, part of a question and part of a concern, petraeus was a great consumer of intelligence but on the other hand it appears to newspaper readers that there is a militarization of the cia going on. that is the core underneath the question and he was elected in part because of special operations background and his use of all those devices in order to move this process within the cia further than it has been in the past which should be of some concern. if you could comment on appreciate it. >> doesn't talk much about the
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direction of the agency's, but if you look at open source reporting since he has come in to the agency, the number of months he has been there, five months, there have been more drone strikes in five months than norman panetta. but they have been more effective, they took out seven of the top 20 al qaeda and now we're seeing them change because some of the strike numbers have gone down lately. i don't know how to read into that. does that mean we are increasing that militarization of the agency? i don't think president obama -- let me step back. gates embraced in november, december, didn't talk to obama about it until january, first
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time he spoke with it with petraeus was in march and the president had been just loving it over. i never got the sense from him, from the president or anyone in the national security council that the thought was put in to militarize the agency. but petraeus's thinking, look how the defense department is shying away from large-scale boots on the ground type operations and secretary gates said the next leader who decides to commit to one of these operations should have their head examined. that is in all our heads. we want to avoid such a large-scale operation so petraeus is thinking as he goes through the agency that is the future of warfare. i would be speculating if i guess to the president had an intention of turning the agency into that, but they're keeping up their drown attacks and they
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have shown some effectiveness. obviously there are precision strikes, lower collateral damage, that is really important. we don't want to create more enemies by collateral damage. we will have to wait and see. the challenge is the transparency. we don't have a lot of information on what they are achieving. >> my question is about the relationships you highlight specifically with hamid karzai and general david petraeus. you mentioned there is a lack of conducive working relationships between hamid karzai and a lakeinberry so there was a decision to do one on one meetings with hamid karzai and you also mentioned david petraeus stressing the importance of civilian military partnerships and i am wondering about your reflections of soft how that came into play college
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was that the right call? the overall picture of that? >> one of the things he learned in his education in iraq was how critical it is to have unity of effort with civilians because you can't kill your way out of an intrusion. it needs to be a comprehensive civil military plan, ideal a whole government efforts. the surge of security forces arrived in afghanistan but we never did see a surge of civilian forces and that was frustrating to him, but he found innovative ways to work around it. one way would like to frame the book is it is a study in strategic leadership, how to get it done when you have -- if you went after and local police initiative but only so many special forces in officers how can you be innovative and augmented so he brought in it dimensional infantry forces lot when special forces.
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there are some neat examples of strategic leadership in action. in his dealings with hamid karzai he realized any time he brought ikeinberry, to the deck of irrational almost so he did stop bringing him but tried to maintain a good relationship. they were not best friends. they were cordial and spoke politely to me but when you speak to stab you understand there is tension and so forth. i didn't really write about this in the book except to say when petraeus left the rose garden that day, he was writing notes in his notebook about things on his to do list and he called brian crocker, his former partner in iraq and crocker was interested in joining him so they made a lot of calls to the white house and around washington to get crocker right away to have this dynamic duo that worked so well together and
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obviously crocker didn't get there until year later but you wonder what it have made a difference? i don't know. another question? >> because we are in politics and prose i have to ask about future possibilities. is there any role in politics for petraeus as time goes on? >> did you watch the daily show? i was on the john stuart daily show weekend half ago and i will borrow my line there, john stewart asked the same question and i said my husband says i should say he is going to run for office because it would sell more books, but i can't tell a lie. he is not interested in running for office, as a mentor of mine, i mentioned my interest in running for office, he says politics corrupt absolutely, he
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has seen these individuals, his collegial franz, spent a lot of time, they will stab him in the back in an extent to advance their political agenda and he take that personally, he doesn't want to be able like that. he also said if he would run for office he would have to yield on his principles to win the primaries, to win the peripheral voters. i don't think so. i think he is electable by either party. people admire that he values -- is a value oriented individual. some of the mantras he subscribes to, live with your values. lot of people can relate to that and the ideal of serving -- she doesn't want to, it would be great but it won't happen. he would stay in the job for four years or eight years or as long as the administration would keep him. like a teenager he is so excited
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about the agency and recognizing the quality of the people, the military is a lot of brawn and these intellectuals, at heart he is really a professor. one thing he thought about doing after he retires is becoming president of princeton, he loves academia, so he is enjoying where he is now. so thanks, everyone, for coming. this is very exciting and an honor. [applause] >> to be at this famous book store. i hope you all support brad and keep the bookstore thriving and all so again, another shout out for our wounded warriors, thanks for coming. [applause] >> tell us what you think of our programming. you can tweak us at booktv, comment on our facebook call or send us an e-mail.
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booktv, nonfiction books every weekend on c-span2. >> the book starts out with a comment in 2003, a combat mission in 2003, north of a town in iraq -- cheri you guys marines? no? there was a marine unit that caught cut off in the biggest sandstorm i have ever seen in my life, rolled into saudi arabia and iraq, covered the whole continent except the little corner where we were and someone had to get underneath that stuff to save these marines. that is what the book opens with. i talk a little about the history of most of what i did. you guys are air force. cadets? okay. already been there, done that.
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a wild weasel is very unique and screwy kind of person whose job in life is to go out and get shot at by surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft artillery and if you survive, when you survive you go back around and remove those threats so they don't bother anybody else. i won't tell you what the first guy said when they asked him to do this, you can read about it in the book, the company and youngsters, i won't go into that, but it is a screwy job and that is most of what i did. i talk all about hit the history of that and how it came to pass. it is not a textbook. one of i like to learn without knowing that i'm learning, i write this book -- i learn a lot and didn't even know i learned anything. you get some history and you start out with what happened when i was commissioned as a lieutenant and the process that it takes to become a pilot and then a fighter pilot after that.
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talk a little bit about the first gulf war. there are some funny things in there too. it is hard not to spend 20 years doing something without some funny things. my first combat mission was a very long day that culminated in the officers' club in turkey and there are some amusing stories and i won't go into that. and then i did an exchange floor with the egyptian air force for year-and-a-half. had to go to school and learn how to speak arabic and learn about them and how they think and operate and do that for a year which was pretty interesting, put a chapter in there called client like an egyptian. anybody year old enough to remember that? walk like an egyptian. again, some amusing anecdotes in that year, some not so amusing. i think it opens with a morning
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when i was doing a test flight and as soon as i wrapped the airplane into a eight gee climb, the engine quit and was suddenly not so cool anymore for the 50 seconds it took me to get the airplane back down on the ground so that is kind of funny. i will tell you how that ends, sitting on the ground it catches up with me and i start to sweat a little bit and i'm grateful to be back on the ground. this egyptian hasn't walks across the runway, a u.s. airbase is locked down tighter than 4 knocks. you don't get an air base without all the pieces of plastic and everything else you need so i was not expecting to see this hasn't plod along in front of my airplane, 20 feet in front of the jet, one of my doing here, the dante probably released itself right in front of the airplane and they both shook their head and walked off. there are some funny things like
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that. basically tracing the path of -- at least my path as a fighter pilot. i came back from overseas for six years with a good life. i lived in europe, you guys in the military know that you travel, most of the capital cities, a lot of neat things you don't normally see, keep a horse by the pyramids, how cool is that to go riding and look over and see the pyramids. but i wanted to come home with the happened at a sonic burger and a long time and hadn't been in a store that was opened at state:00 at night for a long time and i wanted to come home and i did. got selected to fight weapons school, the air force version of the navy school. i have already done the navy school, abbreviated exchange. it was ok, but not half of what we are. you guys are air force, good. never mind the football game.
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that is irrelevant. the whole thing about landing on a carrier, they can keep it. with a good school but nothing like ours. ours is six months long and utterly miserable. i came out of that a change human being, some save for the better. i lost almost all of my cockiness quite a few tail feathers, and spend the next decade being a weapons and tactics officer. a was that come our towers when that place blew up. you don't want to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. i was there when that place blew up. we hadn't really -- i don't think any of us were thinking of terrorism the way it is thought of now. it wasn't something we were prepared to fight. we were geared up, my generation was geared up to fight the soviet union. i asked my teenage daughter,
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what is wrong with russia? what is the soviet union? it was a big thing in the late 80s and >> host:s. we were geared up to fight them and most of us had never considered iraq or saddam hussein. after that war was over which winning was a foregone conclusion. the terrorism thing to pass all by surprise. we just thought they were rabble rouser is. never gave the much credit. interestingly all the buildings were built by the bin laden construction co. and had bin laden stamps. how's that for irony? but after that, things change, you had the world trade center bombings and then september 11th, we all know what happened that day. i was actually flying that morning, we come back from the middle east, from another rotation and monday, september 10th was our first day back and the morning of
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september 11th i was flying and i would come down very, very early and someone said look at this, and i remember thinking as i looked at the first tower, what kind of a more of a pilot could hit a tower that size on a clear day? i thought was an accident and the second plane had and we obviously figured that out and they sent a bunch of us out to close down the air space in the united states and i talk about that too because for a pilot that is really eery. >> welcome to 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books on c-span's booktv. for complete schedule of this weekend's programming visit booktv.org. in the meantime here are a few programs to keep an eye on. at 2:32 a the bishop of its fiscal diocese of new hampshire and the first openly gay person elected to the episcopalian present his argument for gay marriage. at 11:00 p.m. eastern, how green
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jobs policies are damaging america's economy. tamara 2:00 p.m. watch the 2012 american book awards. this is the 30 third annual awards show presented by the before columbus foundation and it was held at the university of california berkeley. tomorrow the miami book fair international kicks off in florida and we will take you live there at 6:00 p.m. eastern to hear tom wolfe, author of back to blood. booktv will be live next weekend for more of the festival. those are just a few of the programs we will bring you this weekend. visit booktv.org for complete schedule. >> here's a look at some books being published this week. bill haas surprise when another request president jefferson's political process and thomas jefferson, the art of power. in the patriarch, the remarkable like and turbulent times of joseph kennedy, david nasa chronicles the life and career
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of the political dynasty. judge andrew napolitano, senior political analyst for fox news argues presidents theodore roosevelt and woodrow wilson disregarded the constitution to promote their own political agendas in theodore and woodrow, how two american presidents destroyed constitutional freedoms. in far from the tree parents, children and the search for identity, national book award winning author andrew solomon examines how parents are challenged and changed by exceptional children. fox news host greg thatfelt presents his talks on political debate in the joy of hate, triumph over wiener's in the age of phoney outrage. mark jenna lee, contributing editor for rolling stone magazine and native of the detroit area reports on the influx of people working to reach imagine his home town in detroit city is the place to be, the afterlife and american metropolis. in the outpost, untold story of
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american valor, white house correspondent for abc news jake tamper reports on combat outpost in afghanistan and the pentagon investigation that determined the post was a necessary after numerous soldiers already lost their lives. look for these titles in bookstores this coming we can watch for the authors in the near future on booktv and on booktv.org. >> one of those years there really was scary before we liberated bakertown, but to have this happen, to have faith blocker, you are only trying to do the best that you can everyone, and to have someone take your words, to use the equipment that they have today
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to pet and splice to make your message appear to be the exact opposite of what it was and what it is is just an unbelievable situation and it is a way to terrorize someone because you don't know that you will ever really be able to get the truth out. even if i had to tell one person at a time. >> it makes me think that the whole media energy around this book, the last time there was this kind of media energy was when it went down. we are going back to those places, they were making those accusations, the speed at which that happened, how do you feel being back in that space and having the whole story? >> it feels good to know that i
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was able to use the same media in a sense to get the story, the right story of. i can't explain how great it feels to be able to sit here and -- i don't know if you saw on the. i was crying. it amazing, and i made the decision years ago that i didn't want people to forget my father and what he meant to us. i had no idea i would not be able to tell the story in this way. it feels great. >> what is so beautiful about this book is i feel it is more than a book. is a living history. like a love lesson to choices and it reminds us foie that
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without the feelings, the facts don't convey enough. that is a brutal as the history of african-american struggle for humanity and rights have been, they have been humanity and love and family and police and possibility and sacrifice. i wonder if you could go back, make an account in georgia and if for trying to get the old gangster driving the tractor fear in the neighborhood. >> we bring baker county. you hear about, you read about, some of us share, the data, the sheriff wanted it to be known as the gator. the gator ruled

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